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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:33 pm

yes or jam in vertical to stop detritus from entering the next bio stage!!

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby paddyonion » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:33 pm

Rigger I have got my jap matting in the cartridge style with the holes in I think it the way it goes. Vortex brushes. Bay 1 bio media bay 2 jap matting bay 3 and 4 alphagrog I've got no wool in mine but I have got micron bags on the two outlets from the 5000

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:40 pm

why m8??
listen guys the filter is designed with a vortex
1. the vortex is too small so its off little or no use.
put brushes innit to remove the bulk of the large crud
2.second bay ,japmatting to remove what gets thru the brushes and smaller particles,(theres no point having a japmatt cartridge hear becuase its just gonna clog up and need cleaning too often!!,cartridges are designed for bio growth and there *!*%*! good aswell but they need clean water so putting them at the start of a filter is no good,they just let too much *!*%*! get thru!
jam jap matt in here cos its more affective than most things at stoppin crud
3.either jap matt again or static k1 will take out 95%os all the detritus,
4.biological media ,either bioballs flocor,k1 jap matt cartridge,anything you want to use really cos by this stage the water shud be reasionably clean,add some filter wool on top just to finish the polish off then
5. in the last bay,you can do a k1 conversion or just throw in an airstone and run some fluidized k1 or get some alfagrog(which i prefer) in socks and hang as many as you can get in there,this will really eat that ammo

when all said and done,when crud gets into a bio chamber it allows bad bacteria to flourish because this chamber is presunmed to be clean so is often left alone,it seriously diminishes the filters performance!

only lovely clean water shud be coming into contact with any biological media
if theres anything thats allowing crud thru its just not doin its job!!full stop so it needs changing out and other methods need to be explored,try messing around and see whats better for you i used to fill glasses with filter water to see how clear it was comin out,and i never always got it right but in the end i learnt a lot by tryin different things,just gotta do things wrong to learn sometimes.
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p.s why are you using filter bags on your filter outlets???paddy?
if your gettin anything in them your filter is not working bigtime!

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby paddyonion » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:40 pm

just trying to catch the fines riger .

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:40 pm

no presume that the vortex is number one m8!
so theres 5 bays in all [:)]

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby koicrazy » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:56 pm

thanks for all your assistants today rigger , hope my new filter set up will improve water quality and reduce fines,

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:56 pm

i hope so too m8 [:)]

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby saph.st24 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:40 am

well got to say my water is lovely and clear never had a problem with the clarity after buying the kk [:D]
ph was our problem [:@]so i put a mesh bag of oyster shells in the filter stablized it nicely but thats another story

hope your water clears up guys

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby jasp » Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:20 pm

is the jap mat in this pict cartridge style or the other way flat on top of each other cartridge style???confused,if this is cartridge style wo'nt this allow *!*%*! to get through when i thought the whole idea of a filter was to catch *!*%*! n breed bacteria...

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Mel J » Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:20 pm

Thats cartrigde style like mine. I,m leaveing mine as is (jap mat) , it works ok as the flocor in the vortex on mine catchs muck and then the brushes, so the matting doesn,t clog.



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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby paddyonion » Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:53 pm

Ok have changed it today brushes In vortex have now packed the matting into bay 1 plastic bio in 2 and floucor in 3 and 4 does that sound right riger

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:10 pm

yes thats better paddy,see how it goes,keep the filter bags on the outlets and se if there is much less *!*%*! gettin thru!!
see if you can get some k1 mate its great at filtering or growing bacteria,a little more jap matt in bay 2 would help if you need it too paddy but see how it goes for now!

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby paddyonion » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:10 pm

Which bay would I use for the k1

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:16 pm

id say second after the jap matt,then just stick some air innit and let it boil for 5 mins and voila its clean just purge system and refill!!

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby iok » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:53 pm

Rigger I have read your posts on here with Interest
and have re-shuffled my filter setup.

Bay 1 (Vortex) = Brushes
Bay 2 = Alphagrog
Bay 3 = Jap mat
Bay 4 = Filter wool (top) Flocore (bottom)
Bay 5 = Flocore

Learning everyday, so do you think this would be a better setup?

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:10 pm

sorry m8 no!!
plz take the alfagrog and put it in the last chamber,and move the rest down in same order!!
also place alfagrog in a net bag or onion sack cos otherwise you will cut your hands to bits removeing this,in the end chamber it will benefit from clean water and it wont get cloged up its a swine to clean when its dirty!!
otherwise its ok m8!
rigger[:)]




p.s a small piece of japmatt wedged into the wier plate(were the water comes outta the vortex )will catch quite a bit of crud and save a lot of cleaning[;)][;)]

ill send you my phone number in a pm and ill discuss that way if you wish itll be a lot better for me to explain,and ive got questions i need to ask in order to advize you best ok m8.

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby dmarks » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:43 pm

After reading this thread I now have blacknight vortex brushes on order, although my water is pretty clear I normally have a piece of foam on top of flocor in bay 4, and find that it clogs up quickly (less than a week), I am also looking to change the jap mat from cartridge style in Bay 3 to remove the holes, hopefully this way it wil further improve the water quality. going to stick with alfagrog in onion sack in Bay 5 as I have noticed a massive distance since putting it in

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:43 pm

good luck m8,although i wish i only had to clean mine once a week.you will find that the japmatt will need cleaning a couple of times a week at least in the summer,
but this will spare you having to clean the biological media m8[:)]

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby koicrazy » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:16 am

evening Rigger,

Am well please with the result since doing what you recomended, No more susspended particals and my water now looks more polished then glass.

Thanks Again

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:33 am

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well done m8!!
a little more effort on the cleaning side but your fish will reap the benefits!!


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