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Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Sanke » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:20 pm

Hi everyone, I have a quick question that will either be answered simply or create the usual debate. My Kockney Koi 5000 is currently set up with vortex, then brushes, jap mat, sponge, and finally corrugated plastic tube. Any comments as to whether this is a good set up or how it can be improved would be gratefully received.
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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Mel J » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:36 pm

The only thing i have done different is...

Vortex....flocore in a bag (plastic tubes)
bay one...brushes
bay two..jap mat
bay three..flocore with two layers of foam to polish water.
bay four....alphagrog.....much larger surface area than flocore.

JUST thought it would work better this way !! The flocore does a good job in the vortex of trapping the initial waste, some put the brushes in the vortex to enable another bay for bio.


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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Sanke » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:36 pm

Hi Mel
Thanks for that. Is it easy to get hold of alphagrog and roughly what cost ? I have some media from an old filter which is like small brown peas, would this be any good to use if it was help in a bag ?
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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:10 am

no dont use that pebble stuff ,alfagrog is best costs about 13 quid for all you will need and put the brushes in the vortex,
then japmatt
thenjapmatt
then filter wool and flocor
then alfagrog(put into sock type bags and suspend in rows as many as you can get in there and dont let em touch the bottom)
they are much easier to clean that way and will not clog if any *!*%*! gets thru,
but the filter wool will show first if any crud gettin thru

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Mel J » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:10 am

As rigger says..about £13.00 a large bag. Mine in the last bay stays pretty clean. I,ve just got mine in a filter bag so its easy to take out and clean.
It has a very large surface , but needs to be clean to remain eficient, so last bay only for me[:D]


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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Nelly the caravanman » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:43 am

this is mine on my temp pond

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:00 am

niel why is your jap matt arranged that way m8??

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:00 am

btw steve how big is your pond???

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby koicrazy » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:50 am

i have jap matting in last bay ......

filter set up as follows

bay 1.....brushes
bay 2.....flocore loose
bay 3.....green bio balls(in sack)
bay 4 ....jap matting cartridge style (tight together)


was asking as im getting susspended particals in pond and is there anything i could do to polish/improve clarity

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby iok » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:56 am

What advantages are made by putting brushes
in the vortex? I thought that this was here
to give you that pull the plug effect and watch
the water swerl round [:)], plus it seperates all
the crud that is drawn up through the pump.
With sticking brushes in the vortex will it not
effect the design and the vortex be lost?
Only asking because I have a 5000 and was
looking at having a little play [:)]. I have
not altered the setup since it left the shop
and my water is fine...maybe I should not
have said that [8|].

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Sanke » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:03 am

I am part way through the rebuild. Pond is about 1300 gallons at the mo and I intend to add a box section on the side of the pond to house plants/waterfall

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:20 am

you should make a multibay filter out of blocks with wier plates inside it would be much more effective than the kk 5000,
to answer iok[&:] the vortex in a 5000 is of little use as its tiny!!,if your water is fine then fair enough but its just what iwould do mate and only a suggestion!!
koicrazy,
the cartridge style jap matt is for biological growth and is excelent at it,but you already have that with the bio balls and flocor which are both designed to do the same thing so i would place the jap matt to filter in the first chamber and put some filterwool with the flocor in the third and then the bio balls if mature in the forth,then you will find that the japmatt will stop nearly all of the crud getting thru and the filter wool will be a good indicator of how much is getting thru,
if so just add more japmatt,
p.s the brushes in the vortex will remove most of the large debris leaving the jap matt to soak up most of the smaller stuff.
cleaning with a good jet on hose pipe i use thru a dechlorinator but it doesnt matter if its just for mech filtration.
rigger[:)]

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby koicrazy » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:30 pm

Rigger,

So, you mean like this,

bay 1 brushes
bay 2 jap matting cartridge style
bay 3 flocore with wool laid flat on top
bay 4 bio balls



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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby saph.st24 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:26 pm

vortex= black knight vortex brush
bay1= brushes
bay2=jap mat
bay3= flocur at the bottom and filter wool on top
bay4=flocur

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:50 pm

as saph said only i would put japmatt wedged into first chamber,[:)][:)]

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby Nelly the caravanman » Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:40 pm

Hiya Rigger the arrangement of the jap matting was like that when i got the filter so assumed this was correct i also have a piece of jap matting over the alphagrog in the last chamber should it be positioned differently

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:36 pm

its just that the jap matt is set for biological filtration,that needs to be in clean water,but that way yougot there has dirty water flowing thru it and is trying to remove the detritus i would remove the gaps from it so water cant simply pass thru ,or move the cartridge to the end bay where it will really come into its own as a bio filter.which really shud be horizontal but never mind,
if you want more info on this im only to happy to help m8[:)]

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby koicrazy » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:26 pm

have changed set up yoday,

Bay 1 .. brushes
Bay 2 .. Jap matting cartridge style
Bay 3 .. Bio Balls in net with filter wool on top
Bay 4 .. Alfarog.

Is this a better filter setup

and will this help with suspended particals?

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby rigger1971 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:16 pm

block up the jap matt,itll work much better!![:)]
and put brushes into vortex itll do more good and use two bays japmatt
two bays bio!

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RE: Kockney Koi 5000

Postby koicrazy » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:16 pm

you say block up jap matting!!!!!! do you mean lay flat one on top of the other????????

getting confused here.....


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